I was recently joking with Martin Bean (a friend, fellow web designer and founder of MCB Studios) about a couple of silly web design enquiries I’ve received over the past few days. Between us, we realised, we had quite a number of such stories and quotes to share with you, here are 10 of the best (or worst!) ones.
#10 – “I have an idea for a website which could by the next eBay and I need a web design partner…”
I got this email when I was young and naive, so I agreed to meet this guy to discuss his plan over coffee in Central London after work one evening. It turns out his idea of “the next eBay” was to clone eBay itself! Indeed, he had acquired a rip-off domain name and wanted an identically functioning website, to be delivered within 6 weeks, and to be within his budget which was £900. I made my excuses and walked out.

Meet the new eBay, same as the old eBay.
#9 – “I want you to use this photo. I want it to be in landscape, but changed so that the height is bigger than the width”
You may presume here that this is just a case of a client not knowing the term ‘portrait’, but you’d be wrong. It was a photo of the building which the client in question operates from; the client wanted this photo stretched vertically so the building looked “taller and more corporate”. Bizarre I know, but this might have worked were there not trees in the foreground which made the whole effort look completely ridiculous. I tried in vain to convince the client to remove it, but the response I received boiled down to “I’m paying you to do a job, so do it as I tell you”. Fair enough.
Then they got all offended when I removed my “Designed by…” credit from the bottom of their site.
#8 – “Black on white is boring. How about hot pink on lime green? And can we make the logo spin? And Ariel is boring, let’s use Comic Sans.”
Of course this is not an actual quote and yes, it is a mild exaggeration, but the proportion of web design clients who fail to grasp the basics of good, sensible design is staggering. Just because you can make an element on the page animated doesn’t mean you should. Just because you can use a kooky font doesn’t mean you should.

I don’t hold it against a client for not having good design sense – that is my job. However, it does irritate me when my advice is ignored completely. One school of thought is that they’re paying me to do a job so I should do it exactly as they specify. Another school of thought is that it is a good designer’s job to convince the client against stupid design decisions. I think I lie somewhere in the middle – I’ll always make a case againse their ill-advised design choice, but if they’re still insistent, why waste more of my time?
#7 – “Use these photos, I got them from Google Images”
A big problem I encountered recently was with a client who provided a number of images for me to use on his site. I didn’t realise this, but he’d lifted them all from other websites, having done searches on Google Images. A few weeks after launching the site I received an angry email from a professional photographer who was accusing me of stealing his images. Clearly he was in the right (the image in question was part of a series he was presenting via his website) so I forwarded to the client his request to remove them. Soon the truth came out: every single one of the client’s images had been lifted from other sites, and he refused to remove them. Thankfully I include a liability disclaimer in my web design contracts which indemnifies me from claims that supplied images are copyright protected. In other words: if he gets caught, he’s got to deal with it. Last I heard, the photographer has initiated a copyright infringement claim against him, all because the client is stubborn.
#6 – “It sucks.”
Constructive criticism is a good thing. “It sucks” doesn’t fit that description.
This is a conversation I had with a client. I had just emailed them a link to a demo of a web page I’d made for them. The underlying page structure was identical, but I’d modified the CSS to change some colours and alter the size of some H1 and H2 tags. Nothing that major.
Client: I don’t like it.
Me: OK… what about it don’t you like?
Client: I don’t like any of it. It doesn’t work for me.
Me: Is it the colours, or…?
Client: No it’s ALL of it. You need to change this all completely.
Me: I only changed the colour scheme and the size of the headings. It’s otherwise the same as the last version.
Client: (pause) Well, now I don’t like it, change it back.
The client then agreed to use the original version.
#5 – “Why is your quote so expensive? My nephew can do [a 5 page website] for £50″
If he’s so good, just get him to do it. Even if site looks like this:

It doesn’t matter what quality your site is so long as you have one, right?
The quote above represents the attitude of too many small businesses acquiring their first website. A significant proportion of my clients already have existing clients designed by the boss’ son / the boss’ nephew / the office junior / the work experience kid /the boss himself using Publisher. In time, they realise that good web design is best left to the professionals.
#4 – “I paid for my domain name by credit card. My credit card billing address is in Oxford. So why doesn’t my site come up in Google when I type in ‘Oxford’?”
My response, in a nutshell, was: because it’s a one page website which hasn’t been indexed by Google, and the content did not refer to Oxford once.
I didn’t bother responding to the follow-up email, which began “Thanks for your response. Just a few follow-up questions” then asked about two or three dozen questions – “why am I not #1 in Google“, “why won’t anyone link to me“, “how do I get to #1 in Google“, etc. I followed the link at the bottom of their website to find their existing designers, who boast proudly to be SEO experts. I advised that this is a question for them, not me. There’s plenty of free information out there about SEO too, I’m not going to waste my time explaining it when some comprehensive answers to those questions have been answered in forums and blog posts many times over.
#3 – “I want to be number one in Google for the term ‘consultant’. My budget is £200.”
I just had to write back to this guy. What kind of consultant is he anyway? Turns out he was a life coach operating in the South-East of England, and didn’t even have a site yet. I briefly explained that it is useless to target the generic term ‘consultant’, far better to go for something like ‘London life coach’, and that the whole effort was useless when there wasn’t even a site in the first place. His response? “If I’m only going to show up for ‘London life coach’ then the cost should decrease proportionally. £25 should be enough.” No, it won’t.
#2 – “Just one more small change…”
Though it seems trivial to “change everything from red to orange“, you might have to change a PSD or PNG file, export all the slices, modify the stylesheet, modify some other details to complement the new colour… the list goes on. Only for the client to say “nah, I don’t like the orange. Make it red again“.
#1 – “We can’t afford to pay you but we’ll let you have a link back to your site.”
How generous. This is a particularly common request, some variations of which are “we won’t pay you but all our customers will see it” and “we’ll pay you once the website turns a profit“. A few months ago, a lot of people were finding my website by searching Google for “UK web design student” or similar, and my site was ranking highly. Therefore I was getting one or two of these requests per week. I now have a stock response to this:
Thank you for your enquiry. MB Web Design does not undertake any speculative work. I encourage you to read this article.
http://www.no-spec.com/articles/why-speculation-hurts/
Of course, they won’t write back because they’re cheapskates who want to exploit students to get a website on the cheap. This issue only seems to be getting worse – everyone with a computer and a copy of Dreamweaver can log onto sites like Gumtree and Craigslist and call themselves web designers*, freelancer sites like Elance allow prospective customers outsource their web design requirements to the lowest bidder. Both of these tend to be sources where price is proportional to talent. Craigslist in particular is often frequented by businesses seeking students to do their work for free as it will give them something to put in their portfolio.
* This is a generalisation of course, there are some good designers on these sites as well. They’re the ones who charge the most.
Conclusion
This post has been rather tongue-in-cheek but does highlight a fundamental problem of being a web designer. People hire you because you are the expert. It is, of course, unreasonable to expect your clients to be as savvy as you so patience and understanding are pre-requisites. However, they ran a little thin with the people mentioned above!
I’m sure in a couple of months I’ll have to update this with a few more “nightmare” clients and potential clients. Feel free to add a comment with your own experiences.
Tags: clients, ebay, internet, seo, web design
Haha, this post made my day. All the time I get number 3. “Why isn’t my site number 1 in Google?” and have a small budget with generic keywords. It’s just these people don’t see that there’s 900 other people trying to rank for that word, or they were just lucky and happened to get on the first page, because generally all effort on scoring such a keyword is a waste of time. I turn down generic keywords all the time, and say they can get a “high ranking” with better ones
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Reminds me of one client I had. I made a logo for a company he worked for but then he wanted it to be changed because he didn’t like the color. I changed it to the way he described but then he went for the original design at the end of the day.
This is amazing! Great post, helped me get a little stress off my back from stupid clients I’ve had in my past.
here’s one….”use these images and remove the watermark”
a client requesting me to remove the “iStockPhoto” watermark that’s usually displayed on stock photos
I can totally relate to some of these, especially #2, some clients just don’t understand how much work has to be done at times for the little changes…and here’s another kicker I drafted a few designs for a website, the client approved one of them so I started work on it the next day, I had the first page up and running, show the client and what she said left me baffled: “maybe the colours from the first website the other designer did would look better” so she approved a design then after I made the first page of the website, grafting in all the html and css she wants to go back to an older/more amateur colour scheme by a “designer” who used a template to make the first website.
Thanks for letting me take out my frustration
Can you move the logo 2 pixels to the right please?
OK, that looks good but can you move it 1 more pixel to the right?
Oh I think I liked it where it was…
Repeat for every possible location and measure throughout the site…
After a couple of weeks of this, I fired the client.
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I get a lot of emails from people saying “we’re on a tight budget” but refuse to tell me what their budget is.
The more I ask the more elusive they get, which always gets my spider sense tingling. TThere’s no point wasting one’s time to bid in what’s obviously a low-ball free-for-all.
They all seem to be companies with old skool bosses; the sort who’ve held out for the past 15 years and has finally decided to ask his PA to “get us a website but I don’t want to spend too much on it, I don’t know how all that stuff works so *you* deal with it!”
The result is an email or phonecall from someone who’s none too happy with having been burdened with this task who essentially says, “we haven’t bothered looking at your site as we have a long list of designers to get through, so just give us your lowest quote for an undefined website project and please don’t waste our time asking about project parameters, deliverables or even if we have our own hosting or not.”
Oh, and they also demand to be number one on Google for a very broad keyword but don’t seem interested in a brief explanation as to how Google actually works.
Another personal bugbear is when I get emails from people say, “I already own a template so….”
So what? Even working on your Monster template can take a few hours work, easy, not to mention that you’ll need to consider your own stock photos, logo design and other factors, but always expect a double-digit quote, max.
When you see/hear the words, “I already have a template” run a mile. People who say that don’t put any value on you, the designer, they’re frustrated by the fact that they’re unable to do the whole thing themselves, for free, and simply want to hire the cheapest HTML Monkey they can find.
In both cases, when the people you’re dealing with don’t actually see the value in having a properly designed website and just want one for the sake of it, as cheaply as possible, it’s never going to develop into a fruitful business relationship.
Obviously it’s your job, as a designer, to do your utmost to convince clients of the value of your skills and services and then to provide that value to them, but you can’t win ‘em all, as they say. And usually, I’ve found, the truly unwinnable ones are almost always immediately apparent during first contact.
So if you get that wary feeling first thing day one, always trust that gut feeling, it saves a lot of headaches and invoice reminders later on.
Laughed, then cried a little. It’s like reading my thoughts.
I Have
-done an ebay ripoff for 800 (they complained about the price!)
-made stupid designs recommended by clients
-heard “my so and so can do it for cheaper”
-done sooo many “small” changes
-gotten so many offers to be in a partnership (I do everything, they get half the income)
-received offers for a link-back in return for making a site… why not just make myself a site and do the link-back
Your writing reminds me a lot of this book by a guy named aristo ambrose – How to Start a Web Design Business:The Things They Won’t Tell You!
Gosh, I thought it was just me to had to endure customers like this. In all hoesty most of my clients are pretty cool but everynow and then I get someone who like wants a site designed like the Vogue web site and their budget is like $500. You sometimes feel insulted when people come at you this way. Nice post
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Maybe it’s a compliment of sorts that a good designer makes it look so easy. There does seem to be a prevailing attitude that creative work takes much less effort and knowledge because you’re just making it look pretty and it’s not rocket science after all. I would never presume to tell another professional I’ve hired how to do their job or offer to pay them much less because they really didn’t have to put much effort into the job. Ah, the pitfalls of a creative career. At least we can still laugh about it.
this is juz extra hilarious but the sad part is that we just have 2 find a way 2 deal with such clients
With respect to #6, what I do is not ask the client “do you like it” because that’s a bit too judgemental, but I ask people in the client’s market (the client’s past customers) to respond to it. That’s really the audience you want to impress.
If they like it, then it’s good.
This is especially helpful if you have a fickle client.
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I can relate to this 100%! I had a client who decided they would ‘design’ the website themselves in Photoshop to ‘save me time’ and after that (once I had done all the html and css) complained that it look “not as good as the other site’s like it”… hahaha
I found a resolution with such clients… i fire them… or charge them outrageous prices that = their ego trips. Lifes to short.
Ouch. The one about the photo was my favourite because I can relate to that one completely. Not long ago I had a client for whom I designed what I thought was a nice, classy website that captured the spirit and nature of his store perfectly. Imagine my surprise when after I submitted the first draft he rejected it completely and made me redo it to match his old GeoCities website, the design of which he re-created for me on a peice of scrap paper.
It broke my heart to do it his way, but the customer is always right.